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Post by Steady Micro Aggressor on Jan 23, 2007 1:10:21 GMT -5
WASHINGTON - The Pentagon has drafted a manual for upcoming detainee trials that would allow suspected terrorists to be convicted on hearsay evidence and coerced testimony and imprisoned or put to death. According to a copy of the manual obtained by The Associated Press, a terror suspect's defense lawyer cannot reveal classified evidence in the person's defense until the government has a chance to review it. The manual, sent to Capitol Hill on Thursday and scheduled to be released later by the Pentagon, is intended to track a law passed last fall by Congress restoring President Bush's plans to have special military commissions try terror-war prisoners. Those commissions had been struck down earlier in the year by the Supreme Court. The Pentagon manual is aimed at ensuring that enemy combatants — the Bush administration's term for many of the terrorism suspects captured on the battlefield — "are prosecuted before regularly constituted courts affording all the judicial guarantees which are recognized by civilized people," according to the document. As required by law, the manual prohibits statements obtained by torture and "cruel, inhuman or degrading treatment" as prohibited by the Constitution. However, the law does allow statements obtained through coercive interrogation techniques if obtained before Dec. 30, 2005, and deemed reliable by a judge. AP/MSNBC 1-18 Full story: www.msnbc.msn.com:80/id/16691101/ |
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Post by wtf on Jan 24, 2007 23:48:30 GMT -5
that kind of sounds like BS to me, if someone doesn't like you they can make up crap about ya! I think they deserve a fair trial like us civilized people would get, LMAO...
"are prosecuted before regularly constituted courts affording all the judicial guarantees which are recognized by civilized people," according to the document." sentence out of the article
wtf makes us so civilized we're over there occupying these peoples country... that sentence really caught my attention...
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Post by Steady Micro Aggressor on Jan 25, 2007 4:14:47 GMT -5
wtf: that kind of sounds like BS to me, if someone doesn't like you they can make up crap about ya! I think they deserve a fair trial like us civilized people would get, LMAO...
Not only is it BS, it's unconstitutional IMO.
wtf: "are prosecuted before regularly constituted courts affording all the judicial guarantees which are recognized by civilized people," according to the document." sentence out of the article
wtf makes us so civilized we're over there occupying these peoples country... that sentence really caught my attention...
Totally agreed, that is a very arrogant attitude on the US Government's part.
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Post by wtf on Jan 25, 2007 13:17:29 GMT -5
wtf: that kind of sounds like BS to me, if someone doesn't like you they can make up crap about ya! I think they deserve a fair trial like us civilized people would get, LMAO... Not only is it BS, it's unconstitutional IMO. wtf: "are prosecuted before regularly constituted courts affording all the judicial guarantees which are recognized by civilized people," according to the document." sentence out of the article wtf makes us so civilized we're over there occupying these peoples country... that sentence really caught my attention... Totally agreed, that is a very arrogant attitude on the US Government's part. very arrogant steadfast, do we really want the rest of world believing our behavior is civilized? I think not!  |
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Post by Steady Micro Aggressor on Jan 26, 2007 9:36:48 GMT -5
wtf: very arrogant steadfast, do we really want the rest of world believing our behavior is civilized? I think not! Well, it's not so much of what the world will think. For me it'a a question of does the rest of the world have a point. We can't begrudge the US looking after the US first. Every other nation looks after itself first. Personally speaking, I do not apply the above consideration to our occupation of Iraq. I do not believe that Iraq is about looking after the safety of the average citizen, rather the safety of political establishment. Of course, this is only opinion, or rambling. Heh heh Neener Neener.  |
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Post by wtf on Jan 26, 2007 14:21:25 GMT -5
wtf: very arrogant steadfast, do we really want the rest of world believing our behavior is civilized? I think not! Well, it's not so much of what the world will think. For me it'a a question of does the rest of the world have a point. We can't begrudge the US looking after the US first. Every other nation looks after itself first. Personally speaking, I do not apply the above consideration to our occupation of Iraq. I do not believe that Iraq is about looking after the safety of the average citizen, rather the safety of political establishment. Of course, this is only opinion, or rambling. Heh heh Neener Neener. I don't know I seem to care about what the world will think about us, especially since we are a super power... I'm just thinking perhaps we should lead by example... and what we're doing isn't any kind of example, I'd be guessing... I guess wtf I'm trying to say is I'm starting to agree with the rest of the world... steadfast there is no way in hell our nation is looking out for itself, and anyone who believes it is still, is an idiot... LoL if we were looking out for ourselves we would of never started a war with a country that was no threat to us what so ever, and our borders would be secure... the first thing we should of been worrying about is securing our land, did we? hell no! we attacked iraq instead, I swear I just don't get it, but then again I'm no politician either... LoL do you think afghanistan war is vital to our security, I'm just curious? how's that for rambling on, I hope it's legible to ya... lmao you're just going to have to use to it because I feel like I'm in a rambling type mood...  |
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Post by Steady Micro Aggressor on Jan 27, 2007 9:55:13 GMT -5
At least we can ramble here without the BS and drama. I care about what other's think about the US, but only to a point. It's like I said above, Iraq was about protecting the interests on the political class than anyone or anything else. I wouldn't say it was vital to US interests to invade and occupy Afghanistan. But at least we had a better excuse than the one we used for invading and occupying Iraq. Your turn to ramble.  |
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Post by wtf on Jan 27, 2007 10:47:35 GMT -5
I have to think about this some.... |
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Post by wtf on Jan 28, 2007 3:03:59 GMT -5
I have to think about this some.... k I thought about it, and I come to the conclusion there's no more reason to ramble on about this, because for the most part I do agree with you... hehe... it's kind of nice to have a place to ramble without the BS, insults, and drama huh?  |
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Post by Steady Micro Aggressor on Jan 28, 2007 9:15:54 GMT -5
wtf: k I thought about it, and I come to the conclusion there's no more reason to ramble on about this, because for the most part I do agree with you... hehe...
If either one of us thinks of something we can add later, the thread will be here. That's why I like forums over IRC.
wtf: it's kind of nice to have a place to ramble without the BS, insults, and drama huh?
Yes it is. We did the 30,000 post hell raise thing. Now it's time for quality. So far the registration to post requirement has been sufficient to tame the forum. Perhaps that'll will end up being benificial.
We can always insult each other later. We've all cleaned up our language, and that's good. That could lead more people to want to jump in.
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