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Post by Steady Micro Aggressor on Dec 29, 2006 23:11:18 GMT -5
Sooner than later Saddam Hussein is going to meet his maker courtesy of a firing squad. Or, is it a rope? Lol, it makes no difference. He'll be dead and we'll all be unaffected.
I read around the forums and I see many peeps who can't wait for Hussein to be killed. Why? What is Saddam's death going to do to further anyone's lives? Nothing. Sure, Hussein was a evil and twisted individual, there's no denying that. But so what? There's a lot of evil and twisted people around. One less jerk isn't going to make a difference. People was to say Hussein's death is justice. How? Hussein was charged or convicted of killing anyone in the US. There's no justice for Americans. I'm sorry, but I'm not some we are the world globalist NeoCon or Libbie. There's no justice for me. Removing Hussein sure hasn't resulted in a reduction of the mindless violence, it simply changed the sources of the violence.
I don't get the celebration peeps. What are you people who look at Saddam's death as something to be celebrated- celebrating?
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Post by wtf on Dec 29, 2006 23:30:39 GMT -5
Iraqi Government Executes Former Dictator
By CHRISTOPHER TORCHIA and QASSIM ABDUL-ZAHRA
AP
BAGHDAD, Iraq (Dec. 29) - Saddam Hussein , the shotgun-waving dictator who ruled Iraq with a remorseless brutality for a quarter-century and was driven from power by a U.S.-led war that left his country in shambles, was taken to the gallows and executed Saturday, ABC News confirmed.
Obit: A Life of Violence
It was a grim end for the 69-year-old leader who had vexed three U.S. presidents. Despite his ouster, Washington, its allies and the new Iraqi leaders remain mired in a fight to quell a stubborn insurgency by Saddam loyalists and a vicious sectarian conflict.
Also hanged were Saddam's half-brother Barzan Ibrahim and Awad Hamed al-Bandar, the former chief justice of the Revolutionary Court. State-run Iraqiya television news announcer said "criminal Saddam was hanged to death and the execution started with criminal Saddam then Barzan then Awad al-Bandar."
Mariam al-Rayes, a legal expert and a former member of the Shiite bloc in parliament, told Iraqiya television that the execution "was filmed and God willing it will be shown. There was one camera present, and a doctor was also present there."
Al-Rayes, an ally of Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki, did not attend the execution. She said Al-Maliki did not attend but was represented by an aide.
The station earlier was airing national songs after the first announcement and had a tag on the screen that read "Saddam's execution marks the end of a dark period of Iraq's history."
The execution came 56 days after a court convicted Saddam and sentenced him to death for his role in the killings of 148 Shiite Muslims from a town where assassins tried to kill the dictator in 1982. Iraq's highest court rejected Saddam's appeal Monday and ordered him executed within 30 days.
A U.S. judge on Friday refused to stop Saddam's execution, rejecting a last-minute court challenge.
Al-Maliki had rejected calls that Saddam be spared, telling families of people killed during the dictator's rule that would be an insult to the victims.
"Our respect for human rights requires us to execute him, and there will be no review or delay in carrying out the sentence," al-Maliki's office quoted him as saying during a meeting with relatives before the hanging.
The hanging of Saddam, who was ruthless in ordering executions of his opponents, will keep other Iraqis from pursuing justice against the ousted leader.
At his death, he was in the midst of a second trial, charged with genocide and other crimes for a 1987-88 military crackdown that killed an estimated 180,000 Kurds in northern Iraq. Experts said the trial of his co-defendants was likely to continue despite his execution.
Many people in Iraq's Shiite majority were eager to see the execution of a man whose Sunni Arab-dominated regime oppressed them and Kurds.
Saddam's Life
Before the hanging, a mosque preacher in the Shiite holy city of Najaf on Friday called Saddam's execution "God's gift to Iraqis."
"Oh, God, you know what Saddam has done! He killed millions of Iraqis in prisons, in wars with neighboring countries and he is responsible for mass graves. Oh God, we ask you to take revenge on Saddam," said Sheik Sadralddin al-Qubanji, a member of the Supreme Council for the Islamic Revolution in Iraq.
On Thursday, two half brothers visited Saddam in his cell, a member of the former dictator's defense team, Badee Izzat Aref, told The Associated Press by telephone from the United Arab Emirates. He said the former dictator handed them his personal belongings.
A senior official at the Iraqi defense ministry said Saddam gave his will to one of his half brothers. The official spoke on condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to speak to the media.
In a farewell message to Iraqis posted Wednesday on the Internet, Saddam said he was giving his life for his country as part of the struggle against the U.S. "Here, I offer my soul to God as a sacrifice, and if he wants, he will send it to heaven with the martyrs," he said.
One of Saddam's lawyers, Issam Ghazzawi, said the letter was written by Saddam on Nov. 5, the day he was convicted by an Iraqi tribunal in the Dujail killings.
The message called on Iraqis to put aside the sectarian hatred that has bloodied their nation for a year and voiced support for the Sunni Arab-dominated insurgency against U.S.-led forces, saying: "Long live jihad and the mujahedeen."
Saddam urged Iraqis to rely on God's help in fighting "against the unjust nations" that ousted his regime.
Najeeb al-Nauimi, a member of Saddam's legal team, said U.S. authorities maintained physical custody of Saddam until the execution to prevent him being humiliated publicly or his corpse being mutilated, as has happened to previous Iraqi leaders deposed by force. He said they didn't want anything to happen to further inflame Sunni Arabs.
"This is the end of an era in Iraq," al-Nauimi said from Doha, Qatar. "The Baath regime ruled for 35 years. Saddam was vice president or president of Iraq during those years. For Iraqis, he will be very well remembered. Like a martyr, he died for the sake of his country."
Iraq's death penalty was suspended by the U.S. military after it toppled Saddam in 2003, but the new Iraqi government reinstated it two years later, saying executions would deter criminals.
Saddam's own regime used executions and extrajudicial killings as a tool of political repression, both to eliminate real or suspected political opponents and to maintain a reign of terror.
In the months after he seized power on July 16, 1979, he had hundreds of members of his own party and army officers slain. In 1996, he ordered the slaying of two sons-in-law who had defected to Jordan but returned to Baghdad after receiving guarantees of safety.
Saddam built Iraq into a one of the Arab world's most modern societies, but then plunged the country into an eight-year war with neighboring Iran that killed hundreds of thousands of people on both sides and wrecked Iraq's economy.
During that war, as part of the wider campaign against Kurds, the Iraqi military used chemical weapons against the Kurdish town of Halabja in northern Iraq, killing an estimated 5,000 civilians.
The economic troubles from the Iran war led Saddam to invade Kuwait in the summer of 1990, seeking to grab its oil wealth, but a U.S.-led coalition inflicted a stinging defeat on the Iraq army and freed the Kuwaitis.
U.N. sanctions imposed over the Kuwait invasion remained in place when Saddam failed to cooperate fully in international efforts to ensure his programs for creating weapons of mass destruction had been dismantled. Iraqis, once among the region's most prosperous, were impoverished.
The final blow came when U.S.-led troops invaded in March 2003. Saddam's regime fell quickly, but political, sectarian and criminal violence have created chaos that has undermined efforts to rebuild Iraq's ruined economy.
While he wielded a heavy hand to maintain control, Saddam also sought to win public support with a personality cult that pervaded Iraqi society. Thousands of portraits, posters, statues and murals were erected in his honor all over Iraq. His face could be seen on the sides of office buildings, schools, airports and shops and on Iraq's currency.
Copyright 2006 The Associated Press.
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Post by Steady Micro Aggressor on Dec 29, 2006 23:54:17 GMT -5
So Saddam is dust huh?
Hmmmm, I feel no different.
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Post by wtf on Dec 30, 2006 0:35:13 GMT -5
I don't know what I feel about the whole situation... I kind of feel bad for him that we went in there stole his country from him, and helped his people execute him, something just isn't sitting right with me about this whole picture...  |
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Post by Steady Micro Aggressor on Dec 30, 2006 0:48:45 GMT -5
wtf: I don't know what I feel about the whole situation... I kind of feel bad for him that we went in there stole his country from him, and helped his people execute him, something just isn't sitting right with me about this whole picture
If for no other reason than to argue semantics, let me offer an opinion.
Iraq wasn't Hussein's, nor were the people.
I do agree that something isn't right with the overall picture though.
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Post by wtf on Dec 30, 2006 0:55:08 GMT -5
wtf: I don't know what I feel about the whole situation... I kind of feel bad for him that we went in there stole his country from him, and helped his people execute him, something just isn't sitting right with me about this whole picture If for no other reason than to argue semantics, let me offer an opinion. Iraq wasn't Hussein's, nor were the people. I do agree that something isn't right with the overall picture though. LoL well that makes me feel better knowing we stole the country from the innocent iraqi people... |
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Post by kat on Dec 30, 2006 14:53:58 GMT -5
what doesn't sit right with me if that 3000+ of our men and women died before he was executed. and that we never should of been over there in the first place.
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Post by wtf on Dec 31, 2006 1:26:50 GMT -5
what doesn't sit right with me if that 3000+ of our men and women died before he was executed. and that we never should of been over there in the first place. that is what doesn't sit right with me either... we have no right to be in there period, and without us his people could of never executed him... he really didn't do anything any other dictator hasn't done, I kind of have sympathy for him... |
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Post by Steady Micro Aggressor on Dec 31, 2006 9:58:56 GMT -5
wtf: LoL well that makes me feel better knowing we stole the country from the innocent iraqi people...
I see where you are coming from with that opinion. It's been the Iraqi people who's been screwed over every which way with all this. They've been screwed by Saddam, and by the US. They've never had much of a stake in their own nation.
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Post by Steady Micro Aggressor on Dec 31, 2006 10:02:16 GMT -5
Kat: what doesn't sit right with me if that 3000+ of our men and women died before he was executed. and that we never should of been over there in the first place.
Good observation there Kat. More people have now died in Iraq than in the 09-11 attack. If we can send over 3000 US citizens to their deaths in Iraq supoosedly in the name of freedom, then why use the 3000 deaths at ground zero to take freedom?
It makes no sense.
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Post by Steady Micro Aggressor on Dec 31, 2006 10:06:15 GMT -5
wtf: that is what doesn't sit right with me either... we have no right to be in there period, and without us his people could of never executed him... he really didn't do anything any other dictator hasn't done, I kind of have sympathy for him...
I have no sympathy for Hussein. IMO he deserves no sympathy. Hussein made his bed.
That said, I agree with your statement that Hussein was a dime a dozen bozo is far as dictators go. Now we've set the prescedent to be the global enforcer. I have no desire to underwrite such an effort nor is it the US's place.
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Post by biglyd on Dec 31, 2006 12:16:45 GMT -5
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Post by wtf on Jan 1, 2007 2:01:05 GMT -5
I feel for the Iraqi people, some of them don't know if its OK to shout their joy from the rooftops, you know what I mean?? Now that Saddomy is dead they need to bring the majority of our people home, leave a few battalions behind to help the Iraqi forces and to train them, like we did in Kuwait....I'm glad they hung that fucker, he killed more people then Hitler did and yet the world doesn't seem to realize what his death represents....it also sends a message to the other fuckin' loons out there, Kim Jong or whatever the fuck his name is, and the Iranians too....  the only message this sent to anyone is don't trust us we are dangerous... I don't see how this BS sends any kind of message to anyone? there was no reason what so ever for us to attack iraq, nor take iraq away from saddam... |
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Post by Steady Micro Aggressor on Jan 2, 2007 10:24:24 GMT -5
BD: I feel for the Iraqi people, some of them don't know if its OK to shout their joy from the rooftops, you know what I mean?? Now that Saddomy is dead they need to bring the majority of our people home, leave a few battalions behind to help the Iraqi forces and to train them, like we did in Kuwait....I'm glad they hung that fucker, he killed more people then Hitler did and yet the world doesn't seem to realize what his death represents....it also sends a message to the other fuckin' loons out there, Kim Jong or whatever the fuck his name is, and the Iranians too....
I feel for the Iraqi people too, and I do know what you mean. Given what they've been though, what could any of us expect? I also agree that it is beyond time to bring our troops home.
I'm part of the world that doesn't get exactly what Hussein's execution really means. We still have despots and evil leaders who are killing their own people. We still have violence in Iraq, prolly beyond what Hussien did. As far as me personally, Hussien didn't effect my life one way or the other. So no, I don't get what the big deal is with Saddam's execution.
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Post by Steady Micro Aggressor on Jan 2, 2007 10:27:13 GMT -5
wtf: the only message this sent to anyone is don't trust us we are dangerous... I don't see how this BS sends any kind of message to anyone? there was no reason what so ever for us to attack iraq, nor take iraq away from saddam...
I think it makes the US look elitist. I don't like that. Just because people chose to adhere to a different lifestyle and culture doesn't make us better. I don't approve of how a lot of people live. That doesn't give me the right to butt in.
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